Dialogue on Leadership: Maria Discusses Holonomics and Change Management

Last week Maria was interviewed by journalist Sara Carvalho for radio Bariguí, and the theme was Holonomics and Change Management. You can here the interview (in Portuguese) here:

Although of course many Brazilians and Portuguese speakers read Transition Consciousness, for those of you who are not, I thought I would note some of the key points that Maria made.

The interview begins by Sara saying that normally she is able to provide a short summary of the interviewees career, but in Maria’s case it was almost impossible since she is a specialist in such a wide range of areas. Where did this curiosity to study come from?

Maria answers that from a very young age she acquired the habit from her mother, who was also an extremely curious and studious person, and who always gave Maria plenty of books to lose herself in.

Maria then talks about music, and how she has always been in love with the music and lyrics of Chic Buarque. It was Maria who introduced me to Buarque, and you may be interested in this article I wrote: The Revolutionary Music of Brazil.

The conversation then turns to our book Holonomics: Business Where People and Planet Matter, and Maria explains exactly what holonomic thinking is. Holonomics is an approach we take to solving business problems which has as its foundation the expansion of consciousness and the introduction of the five universal human values of peace, truth, love, right-action and non-violence. The method is broken down into four key activities:

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We always start by helping people to see and think dynamically. Any profound change can only be realised with an expansion of consciousness.

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We take a systemic approach to the analysis of the problem being analysed and the structure of the organisation and business.

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We then implement powerful solutions which transform the whole organisation – both the people and the business models, strategies and way of working.

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Everything we do is infused with the five universal human values of peace, truth, love, right-action and non-violence. These human values lead to authentic dialogue, agile ways of working and more engaged people.

Much of our work relates to what we refer to as the dynamics of seeing, and this relates to that aspect of our experience of life which runs deeper than ‘mental models’. As Maria says, if we wish to see change, innovate, and do things differently, we need a level of mindfulness which when fully developed allows us to see without judgement.

So if we wish to see change within our organisations, we first have to do a huge amount of internal work, principally in relation to our ego. This has an impact on our leadership skills, in that with this expanded level of consciousness we are able to make better sense of what is happening around us in our environment, and we are able to listen at a much deeper levels, our dialogue being more profound and authentic.


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As Maria summarises, the holonomic approach leads us to becoming more sensitive to our relationships – with the environment, nature, those people around us, and principally our relationship to ourselves. And so this is why Maria created her specific definition of sustainability:

Sustainability is the quality of our relationships.

We are both extremely grateful to Sara for sending us the audio and allowing us to make the interview available for people to listen to on Youtube. Maria continues to discuss how to apply holonomic thinking in a diverse number of fields such as change management, strategy, innovation, sustainability and agile and lean management. For those of you able to listen in Portuguese, we hope you enjoy it.

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